I was listening the Jordan Peterson interview with Joe Rogan, and few ideas sprung on my mind:
The first epic poems of western culture Iliad and Odyssey have as men the central characters, one is merciless killer (Achilles) one is shrewd one (Ulysses).
Those were violent times were war and raids were day to day reality, but in same time life in a village was boring and dull.
Men had to go to war and be brave as Achilles and smart as Ulysses, in order that you and your family to survive.
Hector was a good husband, Priam was a compassionate leader who accepted Helen, but these more soft and somehow feminine qualities didn't stop cruel Achilles and shrewd Ulysses to conquer Troy and kill them together with their children.
And as the victors write the history the story of male, shrewd aggressors stole the headlines.
Christianity damped somehow the male aggressive values, and the medieval tales hero could not simply storm villages, killed men and enslave women and children. He had to fight for a right cause: the christian fate and save damsels in distress.
In Christianity the Mary mother of Jesus it has an equal or even higher status than Him. Not explicit but the sufferance of a mother to see her son tortured and killed, was added to the story.
In 17 century England due to the rise in commerce, the need for literate workforce increased. Somebody had to be a bookkeeper,to write to far away colonies to trade with them and to speak foreign languages. The easiest and cheapest way to have your sons know such things was to have a literate mother to learn them.
In 18 century 30% of women knew to read compared with 40% of men
A market for book for women was opening and a demand for women writers.
Now the women could voice their opinions, tell their stories, women writers be economically independent and alter society.
The women were not discriminated because they were women but because they were weak.
For example despite been a woman Helen was not discriminated because she was powerful: convinces Paris to steal her, convinces Priam to accept her and not send her back, convinces Manelaus to take her back.
Why ? Maybe because she was the queen, she inherited the land.
During Homer time it was a transition from matriarchy to patriarchy. In same period of time because of matrilinear transfer of propriety and power, the pharaoh had to marry his sisters.
If the male pharaoh was a god and the Egypt was a patriarchy then they should marry who they like, and we would see more foreign women involved in court's life.
Till the industrialisation the labour was physical and woman who gave birth to eight children could not produce enough to be economically independent, so it was in weaker position.
With the need for intellectual workforce, women could compete equally with men, sometimes with better results due to their innate patience.
For example:
First Bell's telephone operators were boys who got bored and made pranks. Then Bell's hired women a cheap educated workforce, who had patience and agreeableness.
Relationships between women and men in 19 century West were interesting, the technology offered more opportunity for women, but the laws were tilted in favour of men: only they could make politics.
When women asked politely to have the same rights, men refused because within male society nothing is given, everything is taken.
Any fraternity,military or other male team rises obstacles in front of newcomers. The reason is 2 fold: first you see if the guy is fit to the job. You don't want a weak comrade in arms to pull you back/
Second, you increase adherence to the group. If you work hard to get in a team like military platoon, you don't run away when they are sent in the mission.
When women first wanted to enter politics and economics, the reaction of male society was similar as facing a new recruit: you are a weak, unproven cadet, show that you are worthy of us, we will do anything possible to determine you to leave.
And as a new recruit in the army ambitious women has to withstand a lot of ridicule and malice and sometimes violence. Like the Boston Marathon in 1967, when Jock Semple tries to pull out Kathrine Switzer, or Malala Yousafzai who was shut in the head. Or the girls who were spayed with acid in Afganistan.
Along the history following things empowered women:
1.Peace
The bands of raiders from Homer time and today's talibans are bad news for women and intellectual endeavours.
Peace means strengthen the military and create a code for young men to defend with their life the vulnerable. Men must be educated to be generous selfless protectors. To vilify them as member of patriarchy is counterproductive.
Who fought for American independence, France revolutionary war? And all kind of independence war and revolutions? Men. So they are not the all members of "patriarchy" they are also rebels and revolutionaries.
Men are bred for war let's use this aggressive for good, and justice.
George Orwell said that "we sleep easy because there are men who are ready to make awful things for us".
Men must be more like Hector than Achilles.
2.Technologies who helped women
Below is chronological list of technologies who helped women.
All they were found and produced in Western Europe and United States
Now they are not spread equally.
- professional medical assistance at birth (19 century)
-medical and hygiene education (19 century)
-literacy,books (18 century Western Europe)
- running water (19 century Britain)
-phone (end of 19 century US)
- home appliances such as washing machines (mid 18 century), vacuum cleaners (mid 20 century), fridges (mid 20 century)
- contraception method (modern condoms appeared in 19 century,birth control pill in 1960)
-access to internet (1990)
-mobile phones
3. Changes in law
- equal treatment in law
-equal treatment in courts
-right to vote
-payed maternity leave
Conclusion:
The western society benefited from education of women (Edison and Tesla were home schooled by their mothers), benefited from equal rights for women (more women became financial independent and they could support their families).
What the feminist in the west should do is to help implementing the above things above in backward countries from Middle East and Africa.
Instead of harassing harmless University professors in the West they should harass royalty and president from Middle East where women are openly discriminated.
The first epic poems of western culture Iliad and Odyssey have as men the central characters, one is merciless killer (Achilles) one is shrewd one (Ulysses).
Those were violent times were war and raids were day to day reality, but in same time life in a village was boring and dull.
Men had to go to war and be brave as Achilles and smart as Ulysses, in order that you and your family to survive.
Hector was a good husband, Priam was a compassionate leader who accepted Helen, but these more soft and somehow feminine qualities didn't stop cruel Achilles and shrewd Ulysses to conquer Troy and kill them together with their children.
And as the victors write the history the story of male, shrewd aggressors stole the headlines.
Christianity damped somehow the male aggressive values, and the medieval tales hero could not simply storm villages, killed men and enslave women and children. He had to fight for a right cause: the christian fate and save damsels in distress.
In Christianity the Mary mother of Jesus it has an equal or even higher status than Him. Not explicit but the sufferance of a mother to see her son tortured and killed, was added to the story.
In 17 century England due to the rise in commerce, the need for literate workforce increased. Somebody had to be a bookkeeper,to write to far away colonies to trade with them and to speak foreign languages. The easiest and cheapest way to have your sons know such things was to have a literate mother to learn them.
In 18 century 30% of women knew to read compared with 40% of men
A market for book for women was opening and a demand for women writers.
Now the women could voice their opinions, tell their stories, women writers be economically independent and alter society.
The women were not discriminated because they were women but because they were weak.
For example despite been a woman Helen was not discriminated because she was powerful: convinces Paris to steal her, convinces Priam to accept her and not send her back, convinces Manelaus to take her back.
Why ? Maybe because she was the queen, she inherited the land.
During Homer time it was a transition from matriarchy to patriarchy. In same period of time because of matrilinear transfer of propriety and power, the pharaoh had to marry his sisters.
If the male pharaoh was a god and the Egypt was a patriarchy then they should marry who they like, and we would see more foreign women involved in court's life.
Till the industrialisation the labour was physical and woman who gave birth to eight children could not produce enough to be economically independent, so it was in weaker position.
With the need for intellectual workforce, women could compete equally with men, sometimes with better results due to their innate patience.
For example:
First Bell's telephone operators were boys who got bored and made pranks. Then Bell's hired women a cheap educated workforce, who had patience and agreeableness.
Relationships between women and men in 19 century West were interesting, the technology offered more opportunity for women, but the laws were tilted in favour of men: only they could make politics.
When women asked politely to have the same rights, men refused because within male society nothing is given, everything is taken.
Any fraternity,military or other male team rises obstacles in front of newcomers. The reason is 2 fold: first you see if the guy is fit to the job. You don't want a weak comrade in arms to pull you back/
Second, you increase adherence to the group. If you work hard to get in a team like military platoon, you don't run away when they are sent in the mission.
When women first wanted to enter politics and economics, the reaction of male society was similar as facing a new recruit: you are a weak, unproven cadet, show that you are worthy of us, we will do anything possible to determine you to leave.
And as a new recruit in the army ambitious women has to withstand a lot of ridicule and malice and sometimes violence. Like the Boston Marathon in 1967, when Jock Semple tries to pull out Kathrine Switzer, or Malala Yousafzai who was shut in the head. Or the girls who were spayed with acid in Afganistan.
Along the history following things empowered women:
1.Peace
The bands of raiders from Homer time and today's talibans are bad news for women and intellectual endeavours.
Peace means strengthen the military and create a code for young men to defend with their life the vulnerable. Men must be educated to be generous selfless protectors. To vilify them as member of patriarchy is counterproductive.
Who fought for American independence, France revolutionary war? And all kind of independence war and revolutions? Men. So they are not the all members of "patriarchy" they are also rebels and revolutionaries.
Men are bred for war let's use this aggressive for good, and justice.
George Orwell said that "we sleep easy because there are men who are ready to make awful things for us".
Men must be more like Hector than Achilles.
2.Technologies who helped women
Below is chronological list of technologies who helped women.
All they were found and produced in Western Europe and United States
Now they are not spread equally.
- professional medical assistance at birth (19 century)
-medical and hygiene education (19 century)
-literacy,books (18 century Western Europe)
- running water (19 century Britain)
-phone (end of 19 century US)
- home appliances such as washing machines (mid 18 century), vacuum cleaners (mid 20 century), fridges (mid 20 century)
- contraception method (modern condoms appeared in 19 century,birth control pill in 1960)
-access to internet (1990)
-mobile phones
3. Changes in law
- equal treatment in law
-equal treatment in courts
-right to vote
-payed maternity leave
Conclusion:
The western society benefited from education of women (Edison and Tesla were home schooled by their mothers), benefited from equal rights for women (more women became financial independent and they could support their families).
What the feminist in the west should do is to help implementing the above things above in backward countries from Middle East and Africa.
Instead of harassing harmless University professors in the West they should harass royalty and president from Middle East where women are openly discriminated.
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